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1. hjjr wrote: first time she saw yellow lenses in her eyes |
2. chelydra wrote: but probably not the last time . . . demonic possession tends not to cure itself in my experience. |
3. hjjr wrote: so, you are experienced with this sort of thing ... |
4. chelydra wrote: indeed |
5. chelydra wrote: (Surely you've met up with a number of chelydrans in your neighborhood... you never noticed that demonic possession is endemic among us?) |
6. chelydra wrote: (But the human kind is far worse) |
7. lexa wrote: demons?!!! explain this please - i want to understand. . . |
8. lexa wrote: it looks like "The Scream" to me. . . |
9. chelydra wrote: The term "demonic possession" obviously fails to describe anything at all in terms of science (as it's currently understood anyway)... however... |
10. chelydra wrote: ... when you meet up in person with a case of what could be described as demonic possession, you know what it is, and you know there is no other term available to describe it... |
11. chelydra wrote: ...and I won't freak you out with any details but it ain't pretty (unlike this lovely lady drawn by the kind and gentle hjjr, who has a fairly mild case if there CAN be a mild case of demonic possession (debatable). |
12. chelydra wrote: I meant the lady in the picture, not the artist, in case that wasn't clear. |
13. chelydra wrote: What I mean to say is that religious traditions and other survivals from the pre-science centuries of human culture have left us with a vocabulary that describes states of mind (and other phenomena) that elude scientific jargon, and yet are as real as any |
14. chelydra wrote: ...anything else we directly experience in ourselves or in others. I have not been possessed by demons by I have seen it in others, and yes it does relate to their actions. |
15. chelydra wrote: But you can feel those actions gestating before they happen. There is no moral compass, no reliable individual personality, no sense of humor other than demonic craziness (that might be wildly funny if not so dangerous). |
16. chelydra wrote: Hope that answers your question (without raising too many more questions). |
17. chelydra wrote: (such as how I can claim to never have been possessed by demons after I just admitted to hjjr that chelydrans are pretty much all in that state all the time.) |
18. chelydra wrote: (but then does anyone ever know when it's happening to them? we see the yellow irises, the red pupils, but do we even remember we saw them when we look away? |
19. chelydra wrote: 23. . . a man beholding his own countenance in a glass... beheld himself, and went his way, and presently forgot what manner of man he was. — James I: 23-24 |
20. Vals wrote: hjjr - like this! Chelydra - you're a riot! |
21. hjjr wrote: so, this is a teenager who was trying different lens colors. directly after she looked in the mirror, she |
22. hjjr wrote: washed and pried those yellow lenses out of her eyes. she felt mildly out of herself, a certain |
23. hjjr wrote: devil-may-care attitude overrode her normally equable demeanor and out in the street she ran, searching out chelydrans. |
24. hjjr wrote: She ran to Hell's Walmart where Master Chelydra advised her against looking at the world through colored lenses. |
25. hjjr wrote: not rose-colored... you know because rose is too sweet and can deepen to a dangerous red. |
26. hjjr wrote: not yellow, for goodness sake... just read comments 5 through 19. |
27. hjjr wrote: and not blue, because there is no true blue, no altruism and it will make things too sad. |
28. hjjr wrote: Best to look at the world with clear eyes and a sharp wit. |
29. indigo wrote: ;-]! |
30. chelydra wrote: Pardon me but in the interests of truth I must demur... NO ONE goes running our into the street looking for chelydrans. Those who encounter us (I mean real chelydrans, in real life) invariably run the other way, unless they have a tire iron in hand and kn |
31. chelydra wrote: ... and know how to use it (on chelydrans I mean). The only exceptions are fellow chelydrans of the opposite sex and even they are hasty and a bit squeamish, keeping encounters brief and to the point. |
32. chelydra wrote: And what can you possibly mean by saying "there is no true blue" !!??? It is true that blue is the color of altruism, and does tend to be a bit sad, but how can those thing be true if "there is no true blue"??? Are you saying that blue irises are simply u |
33. chelydra wrote: ...unpigmented and the apparent blueness is some kind of optical illusion? Blueness takes over from the neck up — the root chakra at base of spine being infrared, the crowning spirit-chakra floating overhead being ultraviolet... |
34. chelydra wrote: but now we are talking about vibrations emanating from living substance—protoplasm—m aybe auras or something. States of consciousness, but these have a physical reality even if it's not heavy or substantial... |
35. chelydra wrote: Almost all the evil in the world (perhaps even ALL of it) comes from the way we insist that physical and spiritual phenomena are from different dimensions or different universes, or if one is real the other must be unreal. But they are equally real; they |
36. chelydra wrote: ..they not only meet and mingle, they fuse together into a more perfect oneness (thesis x antithesis > synthesis) than any chemical compound or loving ecstasy... The perfect union of body and soul is simply aliveness, life, animation, subject-hood. |
37. chelydra wrote: Hence the expression "keeping body and soul together" means getting by (basic food, shelter, etc), and death is what happens when they separate. The look in the eye of healthy wild animal is what the Iroquois called Orenda... aliveness, power, natural mag |
38. chelydra wrote: ...natural magic (as opposed to the "supernatural" kind). And getting back to the original topic — the look in the eye, and what it may portend... weirdness is generally some kind of misalignment of the body and the soul... so-called demonic posses |
39. chelydra wrote: being one variety thereof... amen... (I thought I had something brief and to the point to toss your way this morning but alas 'twas neither...) |
40. chelydra wrote: BTW I really loved 21-28 and especially — I was going to note my favorite bit but they're all favorite, even the untrue bits. BTW first real life chelydran I ever saw (apart from mirrors) was on the west end of Main Street in Westhampton Beach, out |
41. chelydra wrote: Saint Mark's Episcopal Church, in July 1965 (66?) as the annual summer fair was ending in late afternoon... |
42. chelydra wrote: ... I was in the ancient pick-up truck driven by the village mayor, helping haul some tents back to the funeral home down the road, or whatever... We saw a chelydran gentleman looking for love (rather like your yellow-eyed gal) or a chelydram lady, a moth |
43. chelydra wrote: or (more likely I think) a chelydran lady, a mother-to-be, looking for a place to deposit her eggs. He/she was stalled on the south-side curb, climbing hesitantly... Old Wilson Reynolds (our universally beloved mayor) slammed on the brakes, grabbed a tir |
44. chelydra wrote: ...tire iron from behind my seat, flung open the door, flung himself at the chelydran, and smashed off half the beast's face all within about five seconds. He pounded away for another five minutes, during most of which the horrifically mangled creature wa |
45. chelydra wrote: ...was lunging and charging as the mayor was dancing out of the way (I suppose even half a chelydran jaw could deliver a painful scrape). |
46. chelydra wrote: I was going to continue, so as not to leave us on such a downer... but I need a break... |
47. chelydra wrote: ...but how to continue without just making it worse!? Just when you didn't think it COULD get any worse, and anything would help mitigate the effects of such gruesome imagery... but alas, any continuation that come to mind DOES make it even worse!!! |
48. chelydra wrote: I can't remember if I already had a habit of drawing turtle crucifixions before that incident... I'd had similar encounters with box turtles in previous years (similar in terms of the results—not motive or intent)... But let's not go there... |
49. chelydra wrote: Those of you who don't hail from chelydran habitat probably aren't aware that old-timers (like our village mayor) had a holy war against the critters they called "torps" or "toropes". There is no correct spelling, because it's a spoken word, used in oral |
50. chelydra wrote: traditions. It goes back to the Algonquin language, from whence comes also the terrapin, but seems to survive only in the villages of Long Island's east end, maybe only the south fork. |
51. chelydra wrote: I'm not exaggerating. More than once I saw Red Ekhart (another universally beloved old-timer) standing up still as a statue in a teensy dinghy, with a massive hunting bow drawn and ready to strike any unwary chelydrans swimming past in the clear cool wate |
52. chelydra wrote: waters of Aspatuck Creek near the Cranberry Marsh. The bow was bigger than the dinghy—woe unto the unwary chelydrans he would have dispatched with his harpoon-like arrow, if there were such a thing as an unwary chelydran, which there isn't. |
53. chelydra wrote: Chelydrans, despite (or because of?) their apparent torpor (from the same root as torp?) are always alert, waiting to pounce. Their favorite meal is duckling (not to be confused with suckling piglets, which they also enjoy I imagine but rarely get a chanc |
54. chelydra wrote: chance to catch, there being fewer and fewer stray piglets these days scrambling around the shores of the chelydrans' riparian and estuarian habitats. |
55. chelydra wrote: I almost forgot the mention the reason for the holy war against torps... Although it's true that it had the venomous lusty spirit of a public hanging or lynching or witch-burning, with the same righteous zealotry... |
56. chelydra wrote: ...the stated reason was also altruistic, the protection of the innocent from the Satanic (demonic) forces of evil... Indeed, chelydrans are unmistakably demonic — not really possessed, because they (we) are the real thing. |
57. chelydra wrote: Our golden topaz-like eyes are no artificial result of cosmetic or theatric contact lenses—we are born with them glowing bright, as soon as we hatch and survey the ancestral homelands we were born to rule. |
58. chelydra wrote: But to get back to the reason... who are the victims of chelydricity our neighbours are so zealous to avenge? |
59. chelydra wrote: Ducklings... Many eyewitnesses have described the harrowing heartbreaking sight of a row of adorable wee balls of wet fluff paddling along single file after thier mama... |
60. chelydra wrote: ... nine or ten lined up in a wavy line, peeping softly, bobbing and dipping, or was it eight? Count again, seven? Hang on, six, five! Those in front, right behind mom's gentle sweet behind, are blissfully unaware of their siblings' disappearing act, as i |
61. chelydra wrote: ... as is mom herself... four... three... oh dear... Even the oldest and wisest ducks aren't known for their mathematical prowess, but the difference between ten and three (or none!) is apparent at a glance. |
62. chelydra wrote: But I still didn't say WHY the holy war was waged so relentlessly for uncounted centuries (two or three centuries anyway). Empathy for those bereaved mama duck? Hardly. Duck shooting was the beginning of eastern Long Island's resort economy. |
63. chelydra wrote: When the torps ate their fill of ducklings every spring and summer, the fall duck-hunting season was affected. It meant fewer silver dollars jingling in local pockets, less profit from decoy-carving, room-rentals, carriage trips out from the city, etc. |
64. chelydra wrote: (Daniel Webster himself was said to be among the lodgers in my great-great-grandparents' old homestead on the eastern part of Main Street, Webster famously left a church in nearby Bellport when an assistant whispered in his ear... |
65. chelydra wrote: ...that the most monstrous trout ever seen had just been spotted in a creek... and the rest is history (or maybe not) http://brookhavensouthhaven.org/Hist ory/WebsterTrout/WebstersBigTrout.ht m |
66. chelydra wrote: end parentheses)... This was supposed to be going somewhere (when I got distracted an hour or two back)... about golden eyes and demons and how it's when all we can see is gold that we behave demonishly. |
67. hjjr wrote: Oh, so now you're going to tell me all that glitters is not gold. |
68. katidid wrote: LOL Cute pic hj |
69. clrmered wrote: Huh? |
70. clrmered wrote: eh, could you repeat that? |
71. chelydra wrote: Yeah I was leading up to that — All that glitters isn't all gold, Nor all that gooses either. |
72. hjjr wrote: it seems we have laid a rather large golden chelydran egg... |
73. chelydra wrote: hope not too indigestible |
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