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1. abst wrote: I suspect that some images are censored in TD! I hope this one will escape -I regard its character to be more sacred than profane! xx |
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2. katpedro wrote: Children share this forum. come on. |
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3. debray wrote: Whoa.... |
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4. abst wrote: The children are ok with nudity & eroticism, unless their parents are not. It's always the adults (and their way to things), not the children! Visiting a Michelangelo, Hocusai, Karel Appel, Dali or even Jeff Koons' exhibition with ur kids, won't harm them |
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5. mum23 wrote: I think the key idea in what you just said, abst, is 'with your kids'... children may see this on TD without their parents present to talk to them about it.. and that is why this is inappropriate here... |
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6. abst wrote: I respect u a lot, mum23, 'cause I admire your work!! So, I accept your point and I happily (now) assure u that all such images are removed from Gallery..! But pls allow me not to delete this, as I like its artistic result… Pls, don't worry: in the |
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7. abst wrote: ...htest case that a kid happens to come across it (& realize what it depicts), I honestly don't think it'd be so devastating (after all, s/he has surely seen around other, truly traumatic & inexplicable pics). I just made another pic (b4 I read ur commen |
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8. abst wrote: ...t) & I promise it's the last one. |
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9. anotherronism wrote: Bravo! Wonderful. Brave and edgy. Boundaries have to be pushed. I'm not gonna comment on the 'kids' aspect of it. Cause I don't care. That all art should be reduced to Barney and Romper Room cause some poor parents can't talk to their kids is so, so not m |
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10. anotherronism wrote: my problem. Great one! Love it! |
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11. mum23 wrote: abst, I expect this picture may be deleted (don't really know how this works!) If you really want to keep it, you can save it as a jpeg image and store it for yourself. Click print, then left click when the picture comes up... |
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12. mum23 wrote: ... and thank you for your mature consideration of the matter! I know that the 6 o'clock news can be more confronting than this, but at least we get to choose whether or not our children get to see it... |
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13. abst wrote: Hmm! And how will u “delete†certain Picasso, Dali & ancient paintings? -U can’t “keep mumâ€, mum! Try to educate ur children, not to b their cop! And judge art purely for its art values..! |
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14. mum23 wrote: 100% with you about educating children! Personally, I am... look at my gallery... a nude I did resulted in us looking at paintings of nude women by many artists, a picture of a child slave saw us having a long hard look, together, at child trafficking.. |
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15. mum23 wrote: ...and the Afghan refugee resulted in discussion about that war, and the rights and wrongs of it! So yes, talk to children, about everything, but choose the topic and approach according to their age, maturity and emotional ability to cope! |
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16. mum23 wrote: My children, if they saw your picture, wouldn't even 'see' it, and if they did, yes, I would be able to talk about it with them... but I would rather introduce them to 'human relationships' from a different starting point than this one! |
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17. mum23 wrote: As for art, well... that will always be subjective! I guess I feel that one KNOWS what is appropriate behaviour in any given situation, without having to have it spelled out for them. |
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18. mum23 wrote: Censorship is not an easy subject... I can see it from both points of view. Society has changed as a result of boundaries being pushed, often for the better, sometimes perhaps not... |
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19. mum23 wrote: Whatever else, your pictures have been thought-provoking! Thanks! |
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20. anotherronism wrote: Well done Mum. Well done. I came here all-a-lookin for a fight and instead found a reasoned thought. Yes. This is inappropriate for chilren. But there hae always been children. And always will be. And there are those kids 'over there' on the curbe a |
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21. anotherronism wrote: God! My Dad's keyboard sucks. |
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22. anotherronism wrote: My point is that somekids are over there and some are over here but most are on the hump as it were. The difference is the parents. |
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23. anotherronism wrote: But I'm not gonna shut down museums cause some insane Mum has never shown her own kid his own weewee. As if he doesn't know exactly where it is and what it does. And, strangely, that was NOT a joke. |
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24. anotherronism wrote: I stand by my approval of this picture. If there are kids here. Do the right thing and go and ask your parents about it. But don't censor art. And there it is. |
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25. abst wrote: Yes, I' m also amazed by that reasoned & coherent thought! I was expecting crazed Christians' attacks and, instead, mum made the turnover!! Thanks mum!! There's no bigger pleasure for me that intellectual stimulation! |
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26. abst wrote: (than int.st., not that).. |
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27. abst wrote: I'm also grateful about the idea of talking with kids over themes, having artworks as a starting point !! In the meanwhile, the pic is still here! On the1hand, I don't think it's really that harmful. On the other, I know that no kid'll see it: I'm not sen |
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28. abst wrote: ...ding any more pics and, already, "abst" is history -totally unvisited! Still, I believe that the most dangerous thing (for kids & adults) is to fear & ban images & words and to (arbitrarily) load them with a supposed (moral) reality. As R.Barthes said |
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29. abst wrote: (talking about Marquis de Sade), the function of speech is not "mimetic" but "semiotic": "to make u conceive the unthinkable, to leave nothing unsaid". Thank u guys and goodbye! I have a new username (I don't know if I continue though): "sibyl", from Siby |
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30. abst wrote: Vein, the tragic herione in O.Wilde's Dorian Gray -another book that was condemned for immorality, when, oddly, not a single immoral scene is ever described in it! (yet, its film adaptations are full of imagined, superfluous orgies, making me wonder who's |
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31. abst wrote: the immoral here -& always-: the reader or the writer?) |
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32. abst wrote: (heroine, not herione...) |
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33. abst wrote: PS. I know that ur point has nothing to do with immorality, mum -I'm just expanding in general my thoughts! Hope I didn't tire u..! And thank u, anotherronism, for ur interest! Ciao... |
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34. abst wrote: And... thanks, anotherronism, for ur much helpful remarks!!... |
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