solosater

So apparently my “Dancing in the Light of a Solar Flare” was offensive to some, I have to wonder why? All the nudes I've done up to now have been blatantly so, this one could very well be wearing a leotard and you'd not know it as she's back lit...

That’s not the point.

Is there something inherently offensive in the form of a nude human being or is it just that I’m not Michael Angelo or Amedeo Modigliani or William Adolphe Bouguereau or Pablo Picasso or Sandro Botticelli or Henri Matisse or Pierre-Auguste Renoir or Francisco de Goya or any one of hundreds of “REAL ARTISTS” that have done and will in the future do NUDES.

I certainly do not set out to offend and would never ask someone to look at something they found offensive. But is it offensive or is it that you didn’t expect it HERE? Or do you think that as an all ages site we shouldn’t post drawings of nudes? Or do you just wish it away because it you don’t like to see it?

(I don’t like to see poorly executed art. It offends my eye. I don’t flag it as offensive just because I would rather not see it, I just don’t look.)

I ask these questions not because I’m angry or even upset over my drawing being censored but because I’ve seen OFFENSIVE work; foul language, sexually explicit, and just plain rude work and I don’t see how it compares.

Not just my piece but a couple of others that have been censored here have been nothing more than what we see every day on TV, movies, billboards, and oh yeah, ART GALLERIES.

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solosater, I didn't see the drawing before it was removed from the Gallery, but having now seen it in your personal gallery, I can't see anything offensive about it.

Incidentally, I much prefer your drawings that don't contain elegantly dressed ladies or nudes ... for instance Man Space was much more interesting to me ... but, hey ... that's just me.

Qsilv

hmmm.... let's just see here--

http://www.thinkdraw.com/picture.php?pictureId=51131

http://www.thinkdraw.com/picture.php?pictureId=50949

Qsilv

well, so far neither of these is censored, so it's just another form of low-vote.
My guess is that people feel a bit sanctimonious when they do that.
And yes, frankly, in this instance I'd ask Rachel to re-instate it.

Qsilv

btw, I do enjoy your figures. They're what first got me to paying attention to you.
(Your writing hooked me good after that... lol)

And while we're on this, I'll add that I deliberately added the towel and poundage to my original drawing (you can watch it morphing in playback) exactly because I did want it to be just an amusing cartoon in response to km's washing machine's RIP, but when I was almost done, it occurred to me that she might be looking a tad too playboy-ish for the crowd 'round here...

;P

polenta

Solosater's silhouette doesn't seem to be in the general gallery. I've seen it in her own one. It sometimes happens to my own pics. Are you sure it was censored? Pics usually come and go.
As for the picture, it's totally NON-OFFENSIVE at least comparing to things we see around here at the beach, on TV, etc.
Seeing a woman's ankle could have been offensive 200 years ago but according to current customs even the whole leg isn't.
I think there was a mistake.

alanator

Art is art and the human body is one of the most beautiful things created,usually those offended are closed minded and look for a reason to object.Only tasteless rude ,graphic displays should be scrutinized,not true art forms.Where would our world of artistic value be without the artist's of past and present displaying beautiful forms?Most of the most famous sculpts,statues,and paintings are of nudes .And to think I used to worry my Slice series might be too edgy.Frankly, I'm appalled at the childish,closed minded,censors.they will be attacking all of our freedomstopush their own beliefs.They will probably attack the Bible next.

matthew

lol... to late... I was censored long ago for this pic...

http://www.thinkdraw.com/picture.php?pictureId=22733

Doug

No art should be censored, but TD is the decider on that. Your pic wasn't even close to being vulgar or lude. It would not be appropriate to put pics of genetalia, etc because of the kids who do use this site, but classic nudes are an art form that has been around for thousands of years and kids see these every day in museums, National Geographic, etc. You should ask to get that pic reinstated.

sheftali52

I saw solo's "offensive" pic before it was removed, and I wasn't the least bit offended. I thought the pic was very well drawn and conveyed an interesting state of mind. Certainly, the site's owner gets the final say, but there seems to be great support for artistic nudes.

Robindcr8l

I was thinking about this today. Maybe we should start a new challenge for non-offensive nudes! We could inundate the gallery with lovely silhouettes and copies of nude masterpieces. Then watch as the whole gallery is censored! I really just can't understand why this particular pic, of any, was censored. I believe I read somewhere that it takes at least 2 or 3 complaints before an item is removed. If that's true, more than one person complained. Or, maybe one person with multiple screen names. Just mind-boggling.

solosater

I had the same thought about a challenge but I then in the last couple of days I've seen them anyway, pollyesther's done one in kiwi, gwinnyb did a Maxfield Parrish, matthew did one that got censored and eliza did a upper back and shoulders that is quite good. In fact I need to go comment on that one, I think I passed it by before.

I too find it interesting that three people found that piece offensive, I almost wonder if it isn't who I associate with on here, oh that sounds paranoid but we've all seen it happen...

Robindcr8l

Solo, I wish I could tell you that, YES, it seems paranoid to think that. But I admit to having the same thoughts myself about these types of things that arise here. That's another good argument against the anonymous voting. It would eliminate some of the paranoia. My kid was the first one to suggest this to me, and it's so simple I couldn't believe I hadn't thought of it myself. Kids are so smart, aren't they?

kmkagle

I don't feel solo's pic was offensive and had to be removed. I do have a problem with nudity, as such, being permitted. There are children, and granted, they see much more elsewhere, but, let it be elsewhere. Sometimes, giving an inch a mile is taken. I say the picture should remain. It's a silhouette, nothing was defined. What's offensive about it. The title? I'm a strong believer in fairness, this isn't fair. Whether it's liked or appreciated, that's my opinion.

solosater

I'd like to say to one and all, thanks for the solidarity. I did write to Rachel so we'll see, in the meantime I'll just have to deal with it.

kmkagle, I can see your point about the kids but I have to point out that most kids today have already seen far worse than anything I could possibly create here with bits and pieces. I know I had when I was just a kid.

Art is the one place I think where most anything goes. If I were drawing racially offensive art I'd hope someone would censor it. If I were using foul language I'd hope someone would censor it. If I were drawing SEXUALLY explicit art I'd hope some one would censor it.

There is nothing inherently sexual in a nude body, we all come into the word naked and I believe we should know & love our bodies and never feel shamed by them. We have people out there getting sick because of shame in their own bodies, people who can’t even talk about being naked and who don’t know the proper names for their parts.

Quite frankly I find that far more disturbing than any nudity I’ve ever seen even pornographic nudity.

Anyway as I said thanks for the solidarity, I appreciate it.

pollyesther

my entry for nudes challenge...
http://www.thinkdraw.com/picture.php?pictureId=53916

matthew

Here is my entry... lol... (already censored)...

So you have to click the link to see it...

http://www.thinkdraw.com/picture.php?pictureId=53808

solosater

matthew, I wrote to rachel about my own then saw that yours had been censored as well and wrote to her again.

I hope it will get reinstated, I really do think it's a public service.

solosater

They're both back!!!! In the words of awr65 "Yay...Woohoo".

matthew

That was sooooo nice of you... Thanks Solo...