Radrook

Proverbs 3:30 Do not accuse a man for no reason--when he has done you no harm.

He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears. Pr 18: 3

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him,.... One that going along the streets, and passing by the door, where two or more persons are quarrelling, and he thrusts himself in and intermeddles in the affair he has no concern in; and interests himself in the cause of the quarrel he has nothing to do with, on account of acquaintance, relation, or office; and especially when, instead of being a mediator and peacemaker, he takes on one side, and acts the angry part, as Aben Ezra interprets the word rendered "meddleth"; blows things up into a greater flame, and enrages the one against the other. Such a man
is like one that taketh a dog by the ears; which are short, and difficult to be held, and tender; and therefore cannot bear to be held by them, especially to be pulled and lugged by them, and which is very provoking; and as such a man has work enough to do to hold him, so he is in danger of being bitten by him, at least when he is forced to let go his hold: and so it is with a man that interferes in a quarrel in a furious manner; it is much if one or other of the contending parties do not fall upon him and abuse him. The Septuagint and Arabic versions render it, "as he that holdeth the tail of a dog."

clorophilla

radrook: i doodled, and found: Java web start; Java web site; japanese wholesale; John Willmott school, and more... all this is quite funny!
Being associated to the philosophy of an unknown (for me) american sect it a weird and surreal close for my day - thank you, I love the unespected things.

Don't worry, I'm not interested to jump any more in your biblic debates, I'll jump just to my bed now, 'cose is quite late here.

Radrook

As for this Hazer, I don't have the slightest idea what he or she is talking about. This is the first time I come across this individual. Neithere am I aware of this individual saying one thing or the other. Maybe she/he is hallucinating?

chelydra

Radrook, our correspondences turning into a full-time job. But maybe if I try to say everything I have to say in one message, and do my best (despite my inclinations) to be honest and helpful rather than engage in clever one-upsmanship, I can wrap up this job and our future exchanges can be free, friendly and uninhibited. Or at least shorter.

JWS — took me ages to figure out you must mean Jehovah's Witnesses. I imagine a long involvement with them might leave anyone feeling a bit guarded and edgy. I'm still recovering from the one JW service I attended in 1970. (Of course now a JW loyalist will happen upon this remark, and I'll have another feud to try to defuse.) All kidding aside, though— I've often heard, and experienced, how emails can lead to sudden bitter disagreements, far more than phone calls, letters, or personal contact. Surely that would apply still more to these little messages, written and sent even more hastily, and then sitting forever out in public view. You remarked that you'd have written a couple of your messages to me very differently if you'd taken a moment to read what I'd previously written to you, explaining why I reacted as I did to your analysis of my old doodle. In my case, though, it didn't matter. I often do incite and offend, and do it in insidious and calculated ways, and I thrive on conflict though I may pretend not to (I was a political cartoonist in a past life, finding chinks in people's armour and wedging them open) —so it's not that big a deal if you react as if that's what I'm doing even when I'm not. But what's more or less okay in your encounters with me, in messages below my weird obscene old doodle, is most emphatically NOT OKAY in a prayer request forum addressing your remarks to genuine Christians (which I'm not— Christian maybe but hardly genuine), although I can see how what they (or we?) said here would have rubbed you the wrong way.

So — what to do? Quick angry reaction-replies are NEVER a good idea. PERIOD. Take some time to read and re-read what the person actually said, and if you're still offended by it, spend a moment longer pondering why they might have said it. Maybe you FEEL reminded of a time when you were in fact the victim of mindless, fanatical, sanctimonious hypocrites. But it does not logically follow from that, that you are NOW once again the victim of m.f.s.h.'s. You wrote as if it did.
Feelings and memories require a whole lot of thoughtful processing before they can serve as reliable guides to action, and when words are as public and irrevocable as they are here, clicking that send button is a big and forceful action. When you yield to your impulse to shoot off the first cutting remarks that unprocessed feelings and memories inspire, you not only say things that are wrong and untrue, you say things that are so obviously and so precisely the complete opposite of the truth it's as if you're self-harming in public. That is really how it looks. And that is really not the effect you intend your words to have on the people you're addressing, or on others who happen upon you messages next week or next year. I am quite sure this explains the note of pity in what Hazer and clorophilla wrote.

In case you're having a hard time taking this on board, here are two examples of your 180° wrong aim (shooting yourself in the head):

1. You told me I "lack...basic knowledge of legitimate artistic critical analyses." There are plenty of things I'm sure I lack, and many more things I probably lack. There is EXACTLY one single thing that I'm absolutely sure I do NOT lack. And people who know me well enough to tell me I lack compassion, common sense, a sense of responsibility, and any other virtue you can think of, would NEVER tell me I lack this one thing. You could have said I lacked the ability to draw or paint really well, or that my clever remarks aren't quite as clever as I'd like to think they are, and I know my own weaknesses well enough to think you might be a pretty insightful fellow with high standards I can't meet. Instead you said I lack the one thing everybody but you knows I do not lack.

2. You didn't quite directly accuse Hazer and clorophilla of mindless, fanatical, sanctimonious hypocrisy, or say that the Prayer Requests forum is a hell hole. Your sentence structure indicates that you merely had a problem involving your own old memories and old feelings, which they had inadvertently reactivated. But your vehemence made it seem intended to be a direct accusation, and I think I can safely assume it was intended to feel like one. But once again, your aim is not 90° off target, not 177.5° off target, but exactly 180° off. EXACTLY 180°. How do I know this? I know it because religiosity, particularly ThinkDraw religiosity for some reason, whether it takes the form of words or pictures, usually leaves me feeling something between mild queasiness and real nausea. But in this forum, with these people, I feel blessed, at peace, elevated, and inclined to try to cultivate some virtues for a change (rather than just exercise that one minor virtue noted above and try to enjoy my rather boring vices the rest of the time). You chose to take the ONLY things I know for certain that these people and this forum are NOT and say that's what they are.


Think about it, Radrook. EXACTLY 180° OFF, not once but TWICE, in two days I think, and these are not words you can edit or erase. This is not engaging in spirited debate, it's not self-defense against malicious attacks by bad people. What is it? The only thing that matters about what it is, is that it's not something you want to keep doing. I was going to close by saying I hope you'll stick around, but I think you know that by know.

I'll close with this instead (since I'm trying to say all I have to say and be done with it). I taught for about eight years in a college program for people who'd had "mental health issues" — and no, I am not bringing this up because I'm insidiously inferring you too "have mental health issues". I am bringing it up because the community spirit among both staff and students was the most loving, accepting, supportive, wise, and good-humoured I have ever experienced in my life. Most of those "mental health issues" as far as I could tell, directly resulted from people experiencing more than their share of life's misfortunes — ice-cold hostile parents, brutal husbands, witnessing a little brother drowning in a sewer, nursing a much-loved wife through a dreadful terminal illness, being turned into a crack-addicted sex slave at age fourteen. When new students first arrived, they rarely were able to go with the flow and enter into the gentle and joyous mood of the program. Most "got it" within a day, or a few days, or at most a couple of weeks, and then became indispensable vital parts of the organism that we collectively formed. I can only remember a single student who remained edgy and defensive and complaining and combative for a few months and then departed. She wasn't stupid, in fact she struck me as really smart. It just never dawned on her that she was among friends, and that we were all on her side.

chelydra

I wrote all of the above - it took forever - while a whole lot more messages were being added, which I have not yet looked at. This was intended to be a reply to the one where you first mentioned JWS. I'm probably not going to stay up any later - Jeez, it's almost dawn here - and it may be several days before my next visit here. Anyway, I accomplished my intention of saying everything I can possibly say on this subject. I hope I did anyway.

Radrook

This is funny!

This guy says he enjoys goading people into anger via calculared snide remarks and then has the audacity to give his intended victim advice on how to cope with his own calculated attacks? Now I have seen everything. Talk about the epitome of hipocracy. These gullibles don't realize that they have far more to fear from such cunning sly individuals like this one who talk BS from both sides of their mouth at once than from a person who proceeds in a straighforward way. To me individuals who behave in such scheaming ways come accross as being directly under the influence of Satan the greatest scheamer of all. Offering friendhips and feigning interest only to find a way to get under another person's skin in order to feel clever about it and gloat later by revealing who he really was all along. Excuse me but ths ids characteristic a childish, immature maladjusted jerk and vcertainly nothing to be proud of.

Please note that such peevish behavior is unbecoming no matter what the age of the person behaving that way might be because it is antisocal as all disruptive behavors are. However from an older person it is particularly hideous because from such we expect wisdom garnered via exprience. In fact, such a phenomenon of age accompanied by foolisness of this kind is exactly what gave rise to the saying that there is no fool like an old fool. Very sad indeed!

Note also how he reminds us that he doesn't believe in God or christianity but is here just in the interest of you fine folk. LOL! This is hilarious!

five

In my recollections, this is a forum thread that has seen members of the TD community comforted through genuine, heartbreaking struggles. To see it degenerate like this is sad, indeed. Please, consider starting a new thread for the debates and argument.

Radrook

I often do incite and offend, and do it in insidious and calculated ways, and I thrive on conflict though I may pretend not to (I was a political cartoonist in a past life, finding chinks in people's armour and wedging them open) —so it's not that big a deal if you react as if that's what I'm doing even when I'm not. But what's more or less okay in your encounters with me, in messages below my weird obscene old doodle, is most emphatically NOT OKAY in a prayer request forum addressing your remarks to genuine Christians (which I'm not— Christian maybe but hardly genuine), although I can see how what they (or we?) said here would have rubbed you the wrong way.

So — what to do? Quick angry reaction-replies are NEVER a good idea. PERIOD.

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The quote above is the guy's unchristian satanically-approved modus operandi of provoking anger in other persons. Notice that it is somethng he feels proud of and over which he shows absolutely no remorse. Notice also that though he admits he purposefully prrovokes he demands that the victim keep calm. All of which is simply another attempt at getting another rise so he can snicker privately about how clever he is. Notice also how he comes on this forum to provoke more contention and then claims a saintly innocense. This fellow is definitely not in search of peace. In fact, I am strongly beginning to suspect is that what we really have here is a relgion-hating anti-christian atheist or agnostic if not an outright satanist hell-bent on doing religion as much damage as he can before his time on earth is through..

Radrook

He lies by claiming I used foul language when responding to his doodle. I did no such thing.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


By his own admission he feigns interest or friendship in order to provoke anger. That is deception and deception is a Satanic personality trait.

—2 Corinthians 4:4 2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

The way for Christians to resist such attacks by individuals who use deception is to follow the biblical advice given below.

—2 Corinthians 11:3 Ephesians 6:11-18
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

—Ephesians 6:11-18 James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

—James 4:7 1 Peter 5:8-9
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.

—

Radrook

BTW

My last post was a post providing a a link to a source of prayers for those in need of praying for others. That was totally ignored and was responded to by this fellow's false accusations. So if indeed there is anyone trying to disrupt this thread it is he and thsse who cooperate with him-not me.

Radrook

Here is another of my attempts to bring this thread back to prayer!

Prayer For God's Help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVr2_spFL7Q&feature=related

Radrook

Prayer against Evil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYZB1tk5FJ0&feature=related

Radrook

Here are my prayers for all those who are in need of God's help because of illness and have expressed that need on this forum.


Prayers for the Sick
For a Sick Person


O Father of mercies and God of all comfort, our only help in time of need: We humbly beseech thee to behold, visit and relieve thy sick servant N. for whom our prayers are desired. Look upon him with the eyes of thy mercy; comfort him with a sense of thy goodness; preserve him from the temptations of the enemy; and give him patience under his affliction. In thy good time, restore him to health, and enable him to lead the residue of his life in thy fear, and to thy glory; and grant that finally he may dwell with thee in life everlasting; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
or this:



Almighty and Eternal God,
You are the everlasting health of those who believe in You.
Hear us for Your sick servant (N...)
for whom we implore the aid of Your tender mercy,
that being restored to bodily health,
he may give thanks to You in Your Church.
Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
or this:


Dear Jesus, Divine Physician and Healer of the Sick, we turn to You in this time of illness. O dearest Comforter of the Troubled, alleviate our worry and sorrow with Your gentle love, and grant us the grace and strength to accept this burden. Dear God, we place our worries in Your hands. We ask that You restore Your servant to health again. Above all, grant us the grace to acknowledge Your holy will and know that whatsoever You do, You do for the love of us. Amen.
Prayer for the Sick
Father of goodness and love, hear our prayers for the sick members of our community and for all who are in need. Amid mental and physical suffering may they find consolation in your healing presence. Show your mercy as you close wounds, cure illness, make broken bodies whole and free downcast spirits. May these special people find lasting health and deliverance, and so join us in thanking you for all your gifts. We ask this through the Lord Jesus who healed those who believed. Amen.
or this:
Tend your sick ones, O Lord Christ.
Rest your weary ones.
Bless your dying ones.
Soothe your suffering ones.
Pity your afflicted ones.
Shield your joyous ones.
And for all your love's sake. Amen.
http://www.doomsdaytube.com/prayer-for-the-sick/

chelydra

Good suggestion, five. New General Discussion forum initiated.

Radrook

The scheming instigator now cunningly assumes the posture of victim defender! Amusing!

Radrook

Good idea about the debate thread though. That way the insults and insinuations can be avoided simply by avoiding that festering thread. Thanks!

Radrook

BTW

I strongly suggest that persons who are extremely averse at being exposed to biblical truths not initiate biblical subjects since someone just might reveal a biblical truth that just might upset them. That happens when biblical subjects are the theme. Peaple feel that participants might welcome the insight, offer it in good faith, and Lo and behold, all hysterical hell breaks loose. With the help of cunning atheists who always lurk in the shadows, the whole thing is blown wayyyyyyy out of proportion of course.

Radrook

With no Radrook participation guaranteed!

Radrook

FoR ALL THoSE WHo CAN'T SToMACH MY PARTICIATIoN HERE PLEASE FEEL FREE To USE THE other thread for prayer that I provided for your covenience and in which I will not participate in order to assure your peace of mind.. If that is not acceptable then please feel free to resume comforting one another here with prayers and I promise not to post any further biblically-based comments.

Hazer

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