lilalee

I didn't get married until I was 34, so the F word was not part of my vocab. My parents rarely swore, and I can remember the first time I did hear that word! I was 12, and knew right away it was something bad!! I do find foul language offensive, I feel it shows ignorance. We have beautiful dictionarys filled with wonderful words that when used, can create an interest in conversation. Sometimes when out I am shocked to hear teens conversations and language! I know when away from home they do what they want, as we all did, but when you hear the parents and teens just conversing, both using the f word, well for me I blame the parents. Its a new generation, and I'm not from their world!! And don't want to be. I have used the word, but only when I talk to myself,or certain girfriends. In fact my brother taught my sister and me how to say it just right to get the point across!!

anotherronism

My grandmother never cussed. Never!

But when we were grown she tried to tell this story...

She had been a clerk at a local hotel her entier life.

One night she was working and an Arab man came in.

He was nice enough but he only spoke one word of english.

The "F" word.

My Grandmother tried to relate this story which she obviously thought so funny without saying the "F" word.

Crickets chirped (and died) to her telling.

She finally gave up and told the danged story.

"F", "F", "f", "F", "f f F", "F" she said.

I actually cried it was so funny.

solosater

As to my comment on foul language, I did not mean any specific word but the use of all these words inappropriately or out of ignorance. I mean the every other word is F this or F that to the point that I literally don’t know what you mean.

Ron, you gave me a complement the other day and you used that particular word; I was not in the least offended at your use of it. I believe there are ways to use words that could be offensive without giving offence.

My mother will occasionally say, and I quote “We had a whole $#!+ smear of….” we all find it very funny coming from mom, but I think it’s a foul word and isn’t needed as much as its used.

I have cussed in my life though I don’t make a practice of it. Some words I do use (bloody and bugger) are to my understanding very rude in the UK. I can’t seem to get them out of my vocabulary. As ass, damn and hell are in the bible I’ve no problem with their proper use such as, “Damn, have you ever seen such a fine ass on a man?” or “Oh hell, he’s taken.”

My point is that I find cussing for the sake of it, ignorant and rude.

anotherronism

Please tell me what "bugger" means... Seriously - I'm a grown man and I don't know. I "think" I know - but is it really that simple.

And I'm 'real' curious to see how you tell me the feinition without being offensive to someone...

Which, I suppose, is the entire point...

lilalee

I think buggar means bastard. The English are so proper you know! Even now they still have those royal ways!

solosater

My understanding is that buggery is forced sodomy so bugger could mean rape or sodomy and I'm in no way sure of any of that.

Another favorite of mine is of course sod off, pretty much like F off but with a stiff upper lip and all.

Mind, I don't think it's less rude to use these terms or phrases, just that here in the U.S. we don't hear them as rude so much as funny. Which I suppose is rude in itself.

lilalee

solosater is right, just looked it up... a sodomite , should check the spelling!

solosater

Unless I'm completely off my rocker, and in fact I'm in a recliner now, I think there is an actual law against buggery in the UK.

I assumed it was forced sodomy but there are still laws against sodomy of any kind on the books all around the world so perhaps not.

As for the spelling the biblical town was Sodom so Sodomite is likely correct.

solosater

I wonder who I'm offending now?

lilalee

The sodomites! Their like pedophyles, and want to be left alone!

solosater

The don't want to be left alone; they just don't want to get caught!

lilalee

I meant they don't want anyone to know their business, and your right they don't want to get caught. We had one around the corner ( thanks to moms on the internet) he was out of here in two months.

solosater

I guess I should add that to things that offend me, pedophiles, but its not just offensive it's disgusting and ruinous.

While we here so much more about it now and that’s sad and distressing, at least there are people and organizations to help.

When I was in my teens the statistic at that time was that 1 in 3 women would be sexually abused at some time in their lives either as children or adults. I don’t know the current statistics for women and I’ve no clue for men but I imagine its worse now than then and so much still goes unreported.

I have a girl friend who was molested and eventually raped by her uncle as a child. She did report it; nothing was done she was called a troublemaker and a liar. When she told me I’d just met the uncle, he is still to this day allowed at family functions and no one says anything like it never happened, and this after he was caught with another of her cousins.

The saddest part was what she told me after that - statistically once a woman is sexually abused she’s twice as likely to be abused/assaulted again. She’s been raped twice since then, once on a date and once by a stranger.

I couldn’t believe it, this pour woman did everything she was supposed to do and she’s stuck in this hell. She’s still expected to great her uncle and show him “proper” respect as an elder in the family. He took away her innocence, blamed her for it, caused her to be a victim for the rest of her life and he didn’t spend a day in jail or a day ostracized by her family.

Yeah, that offends me.

My brother was molested by a neighbor, my brother is a drug addict and so messed up in the head its hard to see. I fear we’ll find him dead one day, when he just can’t take it anymore.

That offends me.

solosater

I'm glad there are people looking out in neighborhoods now but you cannot be too careful with your kids.

They need to know the danger, that it's not just the creep down the street but could be that nice man next door or their uncle/brother/father/mother.

There are all sorts!

lilalee

When my son was 5, they talked in class about the 3 X's on the body, and one day a friend of my husbands showed up here. hadn't seen each other since HS. He started coming over all the time, well he did touch our son, patting him on the back, well he went between his legs with his hand. I didn't see this until my son said, don't touch my X! That was the last time he was here. I did report it to the police, found out the guy had other stuff going on and they put him away. I suppose he's out now since my son is 23, yet my son does remember it! Pedophlyes should be alone in a room with the parents, and let them take care of him. I feel bad for your friend, and her uncle will burn in hell.

lilalee

Those kind of people are just plain sick.

solosater

That’s the thing though, they are literally sick.

The bible says the wages sin pays is death, and we all sin, so we all die.

I just want them locked up in the meantime; it’s not a sickness they can or will overcome.

lilalee

We are all sinners, but when one is saved, we have the promise of eternal life. Gods promise. My husband retired from juvenille detention, and I heard plenty of stories over time. Sex crimes start at an early age for boys. Usually they have been abused themselves, then eventually become the abuser. It just saddens me even now that anyone could possibly use and hurt a child like that. Well anyway Ron is probably wondering what he started here. And like you say, let it go, but the things we discussed are impossible to let go...

solosater

Ron likes controversy, or hadn't you noticed?

I think he'll be happy so long as we're making sense; it's when people get stupid that Ron starts in making trouble, at least that's been my observation.

I'm pretty sure that’s why he started this in the first place, though you're right he probably didn't expect it to get so deep.

lilalee

Well I like controversy, and I think we are all entertaining at times to him! He is to us also! Well have to go to bed, sound like an old lady! Great to talk to you! Talk again.....